Gavros 5:51 Tue Oct 6
Why does the Left think it has a right to cause violence?
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I dont generally agree with Daniel Hannan but I think he makes a fair point here.
Its particularly interesting that Labour votes would be more than twice as likely to drop a friend who they found out voted Tory as the other way around.
http://www.capx.co/leftie-yahoos-consumed-by-their-hatred%E2%80%8B/
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AfM
3:58 Wed Oct 7
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I doubt you would, Mike.
Anybody who vilifies someone as selfish and uncaring who gives so much of their time to help others less fortunate than themselves that they have to actively plan time for themselves is not worth listening to anyway.
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Mike Oxsaw
3:55 Wed Oct 7
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AfM 3:22 Wed Oct 7
But if I cut out activities that help the less fortunate than myself I'll be vilified as uncaring and selfish.
If I cut out the activities that put me in a position to help those who are less fortunate than myself, I'll be vilified for being selfish and uncaring.
If I set aside private time for my own personal life, I'll be vilified for being selfish and uncaring.
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WHOicidal Maniac
3:28 Wed Oct 7
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Reality Cheques 11:41 Wed Oct 7
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How unusual to see you chipping in with a dig...!
Griffin...Im allowed an opinion. You dont have to like/believe it/ approve of it or embrace it just like I dont with yours...
Now where do we go from here?
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AfM
3:23 Wed Oct 7
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Whoah there, Hermit. Don't overstate it.
Yes, I'm having a go at them for using their donations to try and "convert" homeless people from homosexuality to heterosexuality.
If you don't think there's anything wrong with that, I'd disagree with you but let's not pretend that means it's a wholly bad organisation.
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AfM
3:22 Wed Oct 7
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You'd probably have to rearrange some time in your life for yourself, Mike.
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Hermit Road
3:21 Wed Oct 7
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Fuck me, he's having a pop at the Sally Army now.
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Mike Oxsaw
3:18 Wed Oct 7
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What happens if I spent so much time & money helping those less fortunate than me that I don't actually have enough time & money to help myself?
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Prometheus50
3:01 Wed Oct 7
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Gavros
All organisations where its members follow a dogma will resort to violence when challenged Religion, politics etc etc
Left wing politics is all about state control over the individual and the suppression of free thinking and free speech Thus when dissenters dare to do just that, the hierarchy resort to violence to stop further dissent
True right wing politics, despite the left wing attempts to tarnish with the racist banner, is actually about laissez faire economics, free thinking and open competition It is everything the left wing hate
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AfM
2:53 Wed Oct 7
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By contrast, a secular charity like The Red Cross spends 71% of its expenditure on charitable works.
Another secular charity, Doctors Without Borders spends 88.7% on actually, really helping people.
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AfM
2:47 Wed Oct 7
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Absolutely, Fifth. Hence why I said "on average" 5-10%.
Without stirring up too much controversy, I would not class some of what the Salvation Army spend their money on as "helping" people.
For example, they have been known to "help" homeless people by trying to convert them from homosexual to heterosexual using the much maligned and somewhat moronic "conversion therapy".
Not exactly what I would call "helping the homeless".
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Fifth Column
2:27 Wed Oct 7
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AfM
But then that gets more complicated still AfM because even if religious people do give to their church, if you look at, for example, The Salvation Army, they spend huge amounts on helping the homeless... the majority does not go on "the church" itself. On the other hand, the evangelical churches spend all the money they collect, or the vast majority of it, on new buildings, getting more congregation and buying the pastor a new 4x4.
The point is, you can't generalise about the destination of money donated to "the church".
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AfM
2:15 Wed Oct 7
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No. They give about the same or slightly less once you discount giving to the church.
You don't, obviously. I do. My reason for that only 5 to 10% on average of money donated the church goes to "charity" (whether that charity is religious or not is not counted here).
The rest goes on running costs, debt repayments and building upkeep for the church.
That would be the church with huge amounts of money wrapped up in investments and property.
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Hermit Road
2:00 Wed Oct 7
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So, according to what you pasted, they do give more?
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AfM
1:27 Wed Oct 7
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I think you missed some of the sentences, Hermit. Let me help:
"But when you excluded donations given to churches and religious groups, the map changed dramatically, giving an edge to the least religious states in the country"
"A lot of religious giving, then, is self-serving, in the guise of helping others."
The studies which seem to suggest that religiosity leads to more charitable giving actually don't when you exclude donations to their church.
Of course, religious people don't see how this is any different. That's probably where you are getting confused, Hermit.
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Hermit Road
1:20 Wed Oct 7
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I can only assume you haven't read the link you posted up. The headline agrees with you, the article doesn't. On the other hand, there's a wealth of published research that adopts the alternative view.
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=charitable+giving+by+religion&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=
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AfM
1:11 Wed Oct 7
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Marston, don't worry. Hermit will just ignore the studies (linked to in the links I posted) because they don't fit his world view.
He'll just say "Yes they are" and metaphorically stick his fingers in his ears.
Of course, if he does actually engage with the studies it might be more or less interesting but you could always read something else.
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Marston Hammer
1:08 Wed Oct 7
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No they aren't, yes they are.
Two very compelling arguments on something that can't possibly be proven either way.
I feel an extremely tedious afternoon coming on.
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AfM
1:07 Wed Oct 7
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Here's another one for you to ignore, Hermit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9816803/Religion-does-not-make-you-love-your-neighbour-study.html
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AfM
1:05 Wed Oct 7
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No they aren't, Hermit and no, it doesn't.
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Hermit Road
12:59 Wed Oct 7
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Yes they are.
I looked at the first link you posted, and even that disagrees with you.
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AfM
12:50 Wed Oct 7
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Hermit,
No they aren't.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/28/are-religious-people-really-more-generous-than-atheists-a-new-study-puts-that-myth-to-rest/
http://www.alternet.org/belief/busting-myth-christians-are-m
ore-generous-non-believers
http://yashwata.info/2010/07/15/charity1/
http://yashwata.info/2010/07/16/charity2/
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